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		<title>Comment on July 19, 2010: The stories in Scripture are our stories by Dr Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 05:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have often pondered that part about &quot;God’s baffling tolerance of history’s atrocities.&quot;  If you are to believe the power of God proclaimed by the Bible, you also must believe it is  within God&#039;s power to render the North Koreans sterile such that they simply would have disappeared by now.  [Same with any heathen one thinks are &#039;naughty in the sight of God&#039;]  Yet more are born to commit further atrocities.

As we read about North Korean doctors performing operations without anesthetics, I see a regime far more desperate than anything else.  Back in the days of 2 Kings, everyone must have been desperate.  Every army passing through and every government existed for its own benefit only.  Disappearances were common, from any number of causes.  Slavery itself was common, including within Israel.  All of Solomon&#039;s alleged achievements were done with slave labor - Israelites and foreign slaves working as corvee.    His son Rehoboam&#039;s infamous statement &quot;my father chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions [that is, cat-o-nine tails]&quot; puts to lie the claim that only non-Israelites served as slaves.  

We know enough not to expect justice in this world.  But note that the unnamed Hebrew slave girl, unlike Megumi, did not hang herself.  What other differences are there between that time and this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have often pondered that part about &#8220;God’s baffling tolerance of history’s atrocities.&#8221;  If you are to believe the power of God proclaimed by the Bible, you also must believe it is  within God&#8217;s power to render the North Koreans sterile such that they simply would have disappeared by now.  [Same with any heathen one thinks are 'naughty in the sight of God']  Yet more are born to commit further atrocities.</p>
<p>As we read about North Korean doctors performing operations without anesthetics, I see a regime far more desperate than anything else.  Back in the days of 2 Kings, everyone must have been desperate.  Every army passing through and every government existed for its own benefit only.  Disappearances were common, from any number of causes.  Slavery itself was common, including within Israel.  All of Solomon&#8217;s alleged achievements were done with slave labor &#8211; Israelites and foreign slaves working as corvee.    His son Rehoboam&#8217;s infamous statement &#8220;my father chastised you with whips, but I will chastise you with scorpions [that is, cat-o-nine tails]&#8221; puts to lie the claim that only non-Israelites served as slaves.  </p>
<p>We know enough not to expect justice in this world.  But note that the unnamed Hebrew slave girl, unlike Megumi, did not hang herself.  What other differences are there between that time and this?</p>
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		<title>Comment on July 12, 2010: Do we really see? by Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not difficult to see who J.D. really is.  He is a man of compassion, genuine sincerity, with a heart of gold.  Those who may judge him and distance themselves from him would be cutting themselves short from knowing a generous man who they would be proud to call a friend.  J.D. is my friend, and I am proud to be able to say that he is such. I will miss seeing his smile of compassion every Sunday, but I have peace knowing that he will be walking with the Lord as he begins a new journey.  J.D., I look forward to your coming home soon.  May God bless you richly for all you have done for me and countless others.  You will truly be missed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not difficult to see who J.D. really is.  He is a man of compassion, genuine sincerity, with a heart of gold.  Those who may judge him and distance themselves from him would be cutting themselves short from knowing a generous man who they would be proud to call a friend.  J.D. is my friend, and I am proud to be able to say that he is such. I will miss seeing his smile of compassion every Sunday, but I have peace knowing that he will be walking with the Lord as he begins a new journey.  J.D., I look forward to your coming home soon.  May God bless you richly for all you have done for me and countless others.  You will truly be missed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on June 28, 2010: Is violence only an appropriate activity for men? by Dr Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In another twist, one might ask if Jael is guilty of inhospitality.  For this, weren&#039;t Sodom and Gomorrah leveled?  However bad a person might be, once you have taken them under your protection and abused that...

So when is it OK to overlook such things?  When it serves &#039;our&#039; [in this case the Israelites] side?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In another twist, one might ask if Jael is guilty of inhospitality.  For this, weren&#8217;t Sodom and Gomorrah leveled?  However bad a person might be, once you have taken them under your protection and abused that&#8230;</p>
<p>So when is it OK to overlook such things?  When it serves &#8216;our&#8217; [in this case the Israelites] side?</p>
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		<title>Comment on June 28, 2010: Is violence only an appropriate activity for men? by Bunny Kesner</title>
		<link>http://www.wehopres.org/june-28-2010-is-violence-only-an-appropriate-activity-for-men/comment-page-1#comment-2878</link>
		<dc:creator>Bunny Kesner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 18:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting, Kobie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting, Kobie!</p>
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		<title>Comment on June 21, 2010: When we fail to speak up… by David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 05:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went back and read this chapter in Judges. To me 11:3 gives this some context &quot;... A rabble had joined company with him, and went out with him on raids.&quot;
To me implies two things:
a) He had his own fighting force.
b) He&#039;s involved in some sort of violent crimes (probably robbing travelers). 

The clan of Gilead not wanting to place their faith in God, instead turned to a strong man to place in charge of them (11:6), which is ultimately the sin that all of Israel later commits by choosing to have a king over them.

So to me the story in verses 30-39, while tragic serve to illustrate that Jephthah is a man of violence who does not respect life. Also the vow that he makes in v30 assumes that it will be a member of his household, and we are to assume this vow is a rejection of the Spirit of God in v29.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went back and read this chapter in Judges. To me 11:3 gives this some context &#8220;&#8230; A rabble had joined company with him, and went out with him on raids.&#8221;<br />
To me implies two things:<br />
a) He had his own fighting force.<br />
b) He&#8217;s involved in some sort of violent crimes (probably robbing travelers). </p>
<p>The clan of Gilead not wanting to place their faith in God, instead turned to a strong man to place in charge of them (11:6), which is ultimately the sin that all of Israel later commits by choosing to have a king over them.</p>
<p>So to me the story in verses 30-39, while tragic serve to illustrate that Jephthah is a man of violence who does not respect life. Also the vow that he makes in v30 assumes that it will be a member of his household, and we are to assume this vow is a rejection of the Spirit of God in v29.</p>
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		<title>Comment on June 7, 2010: The woman who changed Jesus&#8217; mind. by Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great namless friend you have, Kobie.  And bless you for helping the rest of us too, on our own journey&#039;s of faith.  You truly are a blessing!  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great namless friend you have, Kobie.  And bless you for helping the rest of us too, on our own journey&#8217;s of faith.  You truly are a blessing!  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on June 7, 2010: The woman who changed Jesus&#8217; mind. by Kobie's anonymous friend</title>
		<link>http://www.wehopres.org/june-7-2010-the-woman-who-changed-jesus-mind/comment-page-1#comment-2809</link>
		<dc:creator>Kobie's anonymous friend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are such a gift to me.  I so appreciate that you take my questions seriously.  I&#039;m sorry for making you sweat, but in doing so, you&#039;re helping so many of us along our own journey of faith.  Thank you for your wisdom and your passion for the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are such a gift to me.  I so appreciate that you take my questions seriously.  I&#8217;m sorry for making you sweat, but in doing so, you&#8217;re helping so many of us along our own journey of faith.  Thank you for your wisdom and your passion for the truth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on May 24, 2010: Hard to Love People (continued) by Dr. Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.wehopres.org/may-24-2010-hard-to-love-people-continued/comment-page-1#comment-2806</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 00:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What?? So few comments, even on these two Breads?  Verily and forsooth is LA too Laid Back.

Or perhaps it&#039;s not as controversial as Kobie hoped.  I for one did not squirm in my seat since I know that &quot;Life is complicated and messy.&quot;  I am very thankful that I do not live under such conditions but I am well aware that many people do.  

We know that where human needs are greatest is also where bad decisions often make things worse.  Recently there was a Pew Foundation study reinforcing this.  It showed that in poverty-stricken parts of the world, the men (what, always the men?) have zero money for their children&#039;s schoolbooks or rent.  Yet they manage to find money for booze and other chemical forms of escape.  Yet don&#039;t the rich squander as foolishly on multiple houses, yachts and private planes?

While we can ponder our philosophy of giving (or not giving) to beggars on the street, we can get a call from a friend or relative - someone whose cry for help we cannot ignore.  That cry for help can be tinged with anger and frustration, from someone who does not want to need your help.  Worse, we often get such calls when the situation is far beyond our ability to help.

I know I have felt uncomfortable when approached for help.  Is it a deadbeat?  Someone truly in need?  Someone who could get violent?  Many times I have shied away from a sense of self-preservation, only thinking in retrospect how I might have helped with little risk to myself or my family.  But too late!  The chance is gone, I failed another test!  Or is it that I warded off another threat?  Years later, I still wonder about some encounters.

I don&#039;t need pastors assuring me everything is OK.  I just need reminders that there may be another test at any moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?? So few comments, even on these two Breads?  Verily and forsooth is LA too Laid Back.</p>
<p>Or perhaps it&#8217;s not as controversial as Kobie hoped.  I for one did not squirm in my seat since I know that &#8220;Life is complicated and messy.&#8221;  I am very thankful that I do not live under such conditions but I am well aware that many people do.  </p>
<p>We know that where human needs are greatest is also where bad decisions often make things worse.  Recently there was a Pew Foundation study reinforcing this.  It showed that in poverty-stricken parts of the world, the men (what, always the men?) have zero money for their children&#8217;s schoolbooks or rent.  Yet they manage to find money for booze and other chemical forms of escape.  Yet don&#8217;t the rich squander as foolishly on multiple houses, yachts and private planes?</p>
<p>While we can ponder our philosophy of giving (or not giving) to beggars on the street, we can get a call from a friend or relative &#8211; someone whose cry for help we cannot ignore.  That cry for help can be tinged with anger and frustration, from someone who does not want to need your help.  Worse, we often get such calls when the situation is far beyond our ability to help.</p>
<p>I know I have felt uncomfortable when approached for help.  Is it a deadbeat?  Someone truly in need?  Someone who could get violent?  Many times I have shied away from a sense of self-preservation, only thinking in retrospect how I might have helped with little risk to myself or my family.  But too late!  The chance is gone, I failed another test!  Or is it that I warded off another threat?  Years later, I still wonder about some encounters.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need pastors assuring me everything is OK.  I just need reminders that there may be another test at any moment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on May 17, 2010: Hard to Love People by David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 03:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard a saying once &quot;Hurt people, hurt people&quot;. I think it is clear that the mother being discussed in the video has suffered great pain, and it simply is not in her ability to be the loving parent her daughter deserves, and her alcoholism is getting in the way of her relationship with God and thus other people. I believe God can take away people&#039;s sense of shame and guilt that they carry around, or these feelings of guilt and shame can be temporarily forgotten with alcohol. 

So from that perspective I can have compassion for the mother, but to be honest I might not feel the same way if I were dealing with the situation directly. 

Just as the mother is an imperfect creation of God, so am I, and in a difficult situation, I may have to ask for God to love them on my behalf because I may not always be able.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard a saying once &#8220;Hurt people, hurt people&#8221;. I think it is clear that the mother being discussed in the video has suffered great pain, and it simply is not in her ability to be the loving parent her daughter deserves, and her alcoholism is getting in the way of her relationship with God and thus other people. I believe God can take away people&#8217;s sense of shame and guilt that they carry around, or these feelings of guilt and shame can be temporarily forgotten with alcohol. </p>
<p>So from that perspective I can have compassion for the mother, but to be honest I might not feel the same way if I were dealing with the situation directly. </p>
<p>Just as the mother is an imperfect creation of God, so am I, and in a difficult situation, I may have to ask for God to love them on my behalf because I may not always be able.</p>
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		<title>Comment on May 17, 2010: Hard to Love People by Dr. Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 01:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And there you have it.  I found what Bart found in not quite so dramatic situations.  We became surrogate parents for a friend of our son&#039;s when all other adults including his parents relegated him to a life in reform school.  I found more broken people volunteering at a homeless shelter in IL.  There are so many cases tugging at your heartstrings, but Bart noted many cannot be fixed.

But this is what we do.  After all, what credit is there in loving the lovable?  We are called on to love our enemies.  Bart&#039;s case wasn&#039;t his enemy, but was certainly a challenge.

If you are following along, nodding politely, let&#039;s move to the next level:  Is Bart ready to love the rapist?  Are you?  Am I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there you have it.  I found what Bart found in not quite so dramatic situations.  We became surrogate parents for a friend of our son&#8217;s when all other adults including his parents relegated him to a life in reform school.  I found more broken people volunteering at a homeless shelter in IL.  There are so many cases tugging at your heartstrings, but Bart noted many cannot be fixed.</p>
<p>But this is what we do.  After all, what credit is there in loving the lovable?  We are called on to love our enemies.  Bart&#8217;s case wasn&#8217;t his enemy, but was certainly a challenge.</p>
<p>If you are following along, nodding politely, let&#8217;s move to the next level:  Is Bart ready to love the rapist?  Are you?  Am I?</p>
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